Aharen-san wa Hakarenai Season 2 Episode 10 Discussion 6o1d4z

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@Storm1988 Never call things obvious just because it seems logical to you. I regularly see people accusing authors of retcons or even deceiving the audience, when in reality they just didn't get what they expected. Not infrequently due to the very strange logic and intentions of the authors, but still. Although I'll be honest, the ending of another arc in this manga also puzzled me quite a bit.

@RobertBobert A lot of them are queer coded but I don't think any of them have said it outright, have they? Though with this being so popular in China I wonder if they really have the balls to confirm it directly

It's rare to see a Kaiji reference in another anime and really unexpected in this anime.

@Storm1988 Never call things obvious just because it seems logical to you. I regularly see people accusing authors of retcons or even deceiving the audience, when in reality they just didn't get what they expected. Not infrequently due to the very strange logic and intentions of the authors, but still. Although I'll be honest, the ending of another arc in this manga also puzzled me quite a bit.

@RobertBobert I mean, I haven't seen it, but it was from a different era, so that may be how it comes across to me, given I only started really watching anime in the late 90s, early 2000s. Unless you count late 70s or 80s with the English dub of the Puss In Boots Around the World in 80 Days movie.

Which I finally managed to get through the first 2 thanks to Internet Archive finding them (the 2nd was especially hard to find) and....honestly, there's barely any continuity even though they try to make it seem like they're all in the same universe and Pero the cat is being pursued by cat assassins because he refuses to eat mice.

And the first one was literally just adapting and expanding Puss In Boots, then the 2nd pivoted to a Western context, Old West cowboy kind of stuff and then back to Europe where Pero is a chef with mice friends and a hippo that I guess he met at some point

@holdingnothing Well, it's not so much about the era, but about the author's perfect rendering of the spirit and aesthetics of the time. She has a similar manga about the Polish Revolution, which is widely regarded as one of the best depictions of Poland in animanga despite a number of "anime moments". Another thing is that at the end of the 20th or even the beginning of the 21st century, all this is perceived, to put it mildly, as too theatrical.

@RobertBobert It's not like even the late 20th century didn't have some really dramatic stuff like adaptations of Les Miserable and Phantom of the Opera

@Storm1988 Never call things obvious just because it seems logical to you. I regularly see people accusing authors of retcons or even deceiving the audience, when in reality they just didn't get what they expected. Not infrequently due to the very strange logic and intentions of the authors, but still. Although I'll be honest, the ending of another arc in this manga also puzzled me quite a bit.

Reality sured fiction, you say? Haha!

@holdingnothing Well, let's say that since the mid-20th century, media has become much more realistic and closer to modern communication. I don't mean films like Romeo + Juliet, where Verona was replaced by Los Angeles from the 90s, but still. However, this does not apply to Japan, where theatricality is quite common even in the depiction of modernity. It all depends on your personal attitude in any case.

@RobertBobert They reference Takarazuka in Witch Watch's recent episode and I only know that via it being referenced in a Japanese aesthetics college course I took. I was there at just the right time, since my alma mater doesn't really have an Asian Studies Major, if we ever did. Professors came and went, though that's not uncommon for any university somewhat, you're teaching for experience and working on your dissertation in the meanwhile like the professor who taught the course on Japanese aesthetics and also one on Gender and Sexuality in Japan, one I'd highly recommend, not just because of personal bias, but it was taught well

@holdingnothing Putting aside Takarazuka's homoerotic reputation as a Japanese cultural phenomenon, this is a troupe that made musicals, it's okay for them to be campy in general. I mean things like the live action adaptation of Anohana.

@RobertBobert Of course, campy musicals can be fun, I cannot deny that even something like Dance With Devils from several years ago was a fun experience, though I haven't even tried to follow up Tsukiuta, which I watched more on a whim of curiosity, but the boy idol group dynamic and general presentation didn't draw me in as much as it might have with others, same with Love Live, a whole franchise founded on that idea (and other series over the years exploring those themes as well)

@holdingnothing I watched the latest episode of WW. If you mean the girl with the rose, I don't think it's Takarazuka so much as it is a parody mix of tachineko dynamics (basically lesbian ive-active dynamics from Tokyo) and hot oneesan stereotypes.

Well, campy is a pretty specific concept, I would rather call Love Live homoerotic. Like MyGO/Ave Mujika, where there is no objective sexuality/homosexuality as such, but the style of the storytelling is reminiscent of a female JoJo. Here Aharen is much closer to the stereotypical campy with intentional silliness and cartoonish characters.

@RobertBobert Morihito outright calls out the president when he's walking down the stairs, which I vaguely recall is part of Takarazuka performances

YEah, the progression to romance for Reina and Raido is almost random, but works without feeling out of left field. The initial episodes would make you think its' going to be almost like Tonari no Seki-kun or something in the vein of a romcom where the girl is more reserved or closed off in some way